@heera72  @Former-Member  The cruellest irony is that you don't get any points for trying to dance to their tune; you have to be perfect. You have to completely sell the illusion that you are "one of them". So if you can't comprehend what it is they want from you, or why they want it, you've got no chance of having a positive relationship with them.

The older, wiser man has learned that there's no point even trying to appease them, as your just too out of the loop to have any chance at succeeding. And, as I say, anything less then an (impossible) perfect illusion will automatically fail you, so why bother trying?

It's sad that, even in most of the so-called accepting spaces, there is still a very high expectation to hold you tongue on many key issues; for instance, on whether or not suicide is a "bad" thing. Values like that underpin everything, so if you can't talk about them, you essentially can't talk about your predicaments at all. Nor can you make any productive strides towards a worthwhile quality of life.